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AFI - Miss Murder Song Meanings

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Lyrics:
Hey Miss Murder can I?
Hey Miss Murder can I?
Make beauty stay if I,
Take my life?

Whoa-oh-ohh

With just a look they sho...
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anonymous July 20th, 2006 03:13PM  
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The lucifer angle - imho - is dead on.
Take mitlon's 'paradise lost' and lay it over the lyrics and you get a nearly line-by-line fit. This may be a completely unintentional product of the band's intent, but it appears undeniable. Note that I will refer to lucifer as satan, as the former is a misnomer: satan (translated from hebrew, the personification of adversity) only carries a personal name in islam - "iblis." the name lucifer is derived from judaic/old testament prophetic scriptures referring to king darius of persia, under whom the original tribes of israel suffered. New testament writers and later christian theologians inferred lucifer into satan to provide a literal counterpoint to jesus, presented as the personification of good.

"hey miss murder can i... Make beauty stay if i/take my life?"
the chorus seems to address eve, traditionally considered the murderess of mankind, or more specifically, of mankind's natural communion with divinity. In genesis lore, eve is the only human to interface with satan and thus is simultaneously the fountainhead of all creation and the personification of mortality and mortal hubris. Satan tempted eve with the promise of eternal beauty and ultimate wisdom. The chorus may be asking eve if that promise proved valid after all.

"with just a look they shook
and heavens bowed before him.
Simply a look can break your heart.
The stars that pierce the sky;
he left them all behind.
We’re left to wonder why
he left us all behind."
this appears to be the clearest inference to satan offered by "miss murder." the angels and archangels are often referred to - in apocryphal texts as well as in pl - as stars or as the regents of the stars. Per milton, satan begins as a prince of heaven, and thus all the 'stars' would in fact bow before him; the book of jubilees (apocrypha) indicate that angels of lesser rank do prostrate themselves before their superior angels as well as before god.

"dreams of his crash won’t pass
or how they all adored him.
Beauty will last when spiraled down."
after the war in heaven detailed by milton, the warrior-angels loyal to the archangel michael and to god, though they'd won, did mourn the loss of their brother and prince. After his fall, satan is popularly acknowledged to be the only angel of those fallen to retain his beauty. Milton disagrees on this point.


"the stars that mystify
he left them all behind.
And how his children cry
he left us all behind."
satan has always had metaphoric or allegoric children. Prior to his fall, his children were the angels beneath him... Those who were entrusted by god to his care; and after his fall satan's children, per milton, are sin and death.

"what's the hook, the twist
within this verbose mystery?
I would gladly bet my life upon it.
That the ghost you love, your ray of light
will fizzle out without hope."
the speaker here may be now addressing satan, challenging the unlimate wisdom of the devil's choice. The first two lines seem to be asking, after all the words written about the fall, what was the point? Will satan's gambit ever pay off? If this is the case, the last three lines answer the first two: the speaker would "bet his life" that satan is doomed to failure... That his light and spirit will slowly die away, "without hope" of redemption.

"we're the empty set just floating through, wrapped in skin,
ever searching for what we were promised.
Reaching for the golden ring we never let go,
who would ever let us put our filthy hands upon it."
now the speaker may be addressing his (our) own mortality, and our literal unworthiness to reattain what we'd lost in eden for the efforts of satan and the ingenuousness of eve.


Again, this is all probably not what davey havok and afi intended. Nonetheless, it appears to fit well enough to acknowledge it as - at least - a valid literary interpretation.
In lesser hands, these lyrics would probably be gibberish, or at least easily interpretable. But by the body of their work afi prove themselves to be literate and skilled artists. Such a lyric reaction to milton and genesis lore is well within their grasp.


-uziel twentyone
www.Gk-sanctuary.Com
bigpoogenerator June 21st, 2006 01:26AM  
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I think when he says it he's really talking about selling himself for beauty. It's like you have to choose between 2 lives. You can have your family, friends, things of that nature, or you can live the life of a star. Can I stay a star if I sacrafice my life for it? "...make this beauty stay if I take my life?" Everyone was left to wonder why this person made the decision to sacrafice his life for beauty. He sings about how fame is only temporary, that his ray of light will fizzle out, and that people are just all searching for what we were promised. Everyone is told that they can have things that they really can never have and people are lost in life, trying to acquire things that will never really exist for them. The golden ring symbolizing what we're all trying to accomplish, but in reality why do we deserve it over anyone else? we're no one.
mightymuffin5042 June 24th, 2006 02:57AM  
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Just to add, the "golden ring" could be from 'The Catcher in the Rye' where at the end of novel Holden's younger sister is riding on a merry-go-round. On merry-go-rounds is a golden ring, or use to be, that riders could try to grab resulting in a prize. However, there is some risk in going for the gold ring. The rider might even fall. So the gold ring represents a hope, a dream, and the chances that we must take to grab it. In 'Miss Murder' the "golden ring" could be the unattainable or what the character desires, fantasizes about and longs for.
anonymous June 25th, 2006 11:18PM  
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He is singing about Hitler, who killed himself and left everyone behind. In the Music Video he's waving his arm back and forth to the Nazis below the balcony. The four flags represent the swastika.
anonymous July 6th, 2006 05:56PM  
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I think it talks about the denial of religion being authentic and how Jesus supposedly left human kind behind, and how "heavens bowed before him" and "how they all adored him", we're "empty set just floating trought, wrapped in skin" refers to humans as souless and no eternal life "ever searching for what we were promised", and the golden ring I think refers to a halo, "reaching for the golden ring we never let go, who would ever let us put our filthy hands upon it" and how humans are just too sinful to go to so called heaven or the paradise.

Just my thoughts, Julian kuckimonster2@hotmail.com
anonymous July 6th, 2006 09:46PM  
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I agree with the hitler theory.

"With just a look they shook" when the jews even heard a mention of hitler they wer terrified of being murdered,

"And heavens bowed before him." and all the countries bowed before him as he took over, think about it.

"The stars that pierce the sky" that's the bombs that shook the world during the war.

"He left them all behind. We’re left to wonder why He left us all behind." when he was killed there was no body found, so his follower wondered y he just left them, commited suicide.

"Hey Miss Murder can I?
Make beauty stay if I,
Take my life?" hitler prolly thought that by killing himself the world would remain caotic, just like he liked it.

"Dreams of his crash won’t pass" the world will never forget what he did

"Or how they all adored him." at first most people did adore htler, before he really started killing the jews people thought that he was on tha right track

"And how his children cry" he made so many jews terrified to even leave a room, ruined so many lives and I justy can't imagine all tha tears that fell from the eyes of so many

yea well I think I have explained enough but just think about it ppl. o yea.....my name is SELINA
anonymous July 7th, 2006 09:12PM  
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First off a little insight in the bible Lucifer before he fell was called "The Bringer of Light", he was also the most beautiful angel. Now miss murder may or may not be the grim reaper that I am unsure about but the rest is pretty clear.
"can I make beauty stay if I take my life" - can I make Lucifer stay if I give you my soul.
"With just a look they shook And heavens bowed before him Simply a look can break your heart." - He was so beautiful he would break your heart with just one look.
"The stars that pierce the sky; He left them all behind. We’re left to wonder why He left us all behind" - This is His fall from grace ... and they all were left to wonder why he choose to rebel.
"Dreams of his crash won’t pass Or how they all adored him. Beauty will last when spiraled down" - Up in heaven they adored Lucifer and they can't forget his about his fall/crash. Even though he has fallen he is still beautiful.
"That the ghost you love, your ray of light Will fizzle out without hope." - ray of light --- reference to Lucifer --- also without hope he loses his angelic halo...?
"Ever searching for what we were promised. Reaching for the golden ring we never let go, Who would ever let us put our filthy hands upon it." He is searching for redemption like God promised mankind but angels can't be redeemed. The golden ring refers to the halo even though they (the fallen ones) reach for it they (heavens army) will never let them enter again.
anonymous July 13th, 2006 07:25AM  
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Hey guys. I don't really have an interpretation but one of you asked what verbose meant. It means explaining soemthing using a lot of unneccesary words or too many words for somthing that could be shortened down. Hope that helps someone.
anonymous July 13th, 2006 07:59PM  
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Hilters reign.

Hey Miss Murder can I?
Hey Miss Murder can I?
Make beauty stay if I,
Take my life?
(During his reign, Hitler divides humans up based on physical attributes. He claimed that German "Aryans" with blond hair and blue eyes were at the top of the hierarchy. The song may be saying that by taking the life of "usuperior" races the world would be a better place.)


With just a look they shook (Referring to the terror that hitler put into the life of anyone he found inferior to him. Also there were the people who didn't believe in what hitler believed and with that they had to fear being sent to concentration camps.)
And heavens bowed before him. (This can refer to the other superpower countries around the world who realized the power Hitler had.)
Simply a look can break your heart.
The stars that pierce the sky; (bombs and bullets during the war)
He left them all behind.
We’re left to wonder why
He left us all behind. (He committed suicide in a Berlin bunker with Germany in ruins around him, leaving his country behind. This could also be linked witht the lyrics "simply a look can break your heart", where hitler seeing everything he's been trying to take over fall apart.)

Hey Miss Murder can I?
Hey Miss Murder can I?
Make beauty stay if I,
Take my life?
Whoa-oh-ohh
(ohh)

Dreams of his crash won’t pass (The dreams hitler had, and the actions he took of taking over and believes of antisemitism will always be remembered.)
Or how they all adored him. (Hitler was known for his public oratory and for inspiring personal loyalty. This meant the people who followed him absolutly adored him)
Beauty will last when spiraled down.
The stars that mystify
He left them all behind.
And how his children cry
He left us all behind. (again refering to the war, and his untimely death)

Hey Miss Murder can I?
Hey Miss Murder can I?
Make beauty stay if I,
Take my life?
Whoa-oh-ohh

What's the hook, the twist
Within this verbose mystery? ( Hitler was a good public speaker. He also must have been good at twisting his words to make what he wanted sound good for the people)
I would gladly bet my life upon it.
That the ghost you love, your ray of light
Will fizzle out without hope. (It is said by some that hitler fell in love with Geli, his much younger niece. In 1931 she was found dead, her death ruled a suicide.This tragedy hurt Hitler so much that he was on the verge of a mental breakdown for weeks.)
We're the empty set just floating through, wrapped in skin,
Ever searching for what we were promised.
Reaching for the golden ring we never let go,
Who would ever let us put our filthy hands upon it.

Hey Miss Murder can I?
Hey Miss Murder can I?
Make beauty stay if I,
Take my life?
Whoa-oh-ohh

Hey Miss Murder can I?
Hey Miss Murder can I?
Make beauty stay if I,
Take my life?
Whoa-oh-ohh
anonymous July 16th, 2006 06:08PM  
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First off, let's clear jesus from your trinity here. He didn't take his life, and wouldn't have considered it. If he was going to ask anyone about his inevitable death, it wouldn't be "miss murder", it would be good old daddy.

Next, Hitler was not of a time where he would beseech a "wise woman" figure, asking about his future. Indeed, the person who he inquired about his future with, was a male psychic.

Finally, Cobain is far from the only person who made crowds tremble, and died early. There's no suggestion I can find in the song that says this person has to be a musician, and if musicians only ever wrote about musicians, it would be like hollywood awards shows, filled with enough smug to create a perfect storm, and enough self-backpatting energy to power la for the rest of the year.

I think, however, in a way, it may be all three of these guys anyway. And all other guys like him. The speaker in the song (not the singer, but the imaginary figure to whom he's giving the voice), may be just another man like everyone you people seem to think it just *has* to be about. Instead, it's about every man like these people. Those who have been, are, and will be in a position to wonder if their own sacrifice will be enough to preserve that which they hold dear.

This song, in short, is not about a man. It's about every man who ever had followers or children, and killed himself under unfathomable circumstances.
anonymous July 17th, 2006 06:27PM  
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The song in my interpretation is about lucifer. The song starts with the lines, "with just a look, they shook, and heavens bowed before him." he was known to be a beautiful angel, which could be the look part. He was also one of the most popular, which shows how heavens bowed before him. At one time he had a third of all "heavens army" following him. His pride and arrogance drove him to lead a rebellion against god, and all of heaven. When it failed he and his followers were banished from heaven and resided in hell. I think that has to do with leaving "the stars that pierce the sky" behind. In some jewish interpretations influenced by babylonian mythology, he had control of the stars in heaven, which could influence the lyrics of him leaving the stars behind. There are also speculations of him being suspended between heaven and earth as a star instead of him descending to hell.


As someone said earlier, "dreams of his crash won’t pass
or how they all adored him.
Beauty will last when spiraled down."

the dreams of lucifer's crash from a much adored archangel in heaven to hell, or suspended between heaven and earth as a star won't be forgotten. The line beauty will last when spiraled down, could also refer to him being suspended between heaven and earth as a star, and how he's still beautiful as a star even though he's no longer and angel and has spiraled down from his popularity in heaven to his current position. Another theory in christian mythology is that when he fell, or "spiraled down" from heaven he was seen as a falling star, and that his beauty would only remain as he fell, but once he reached hell his beauty was lost.

I cannot figure out the line, "and how his children cry" because to my knowledge lucifer had no children.

"I would gladly bet my life upon it.
That the ghost you love, your ray of light
will fizzle out without hope."

these three lines may be told from god's perspective. Maybe god is saying that he has foreseen or already knows of lucifer's plan to overthrow him, and how lucifer will be defeated.

"the ghost you love, your ray of light"
this line refers to the ghost being the angel lucifer because of his popularity, and his most common persona as the morning star, light-bearing, or brilliant and shining angel.

"will fizzle out without hope."
this obviously referring to his fall, and being extinguished as the light-bearer, when he is cast to hell.


"we're the empty set just floating through, wrapped in skin,
ever searching for what we were promised.
Reaching for the golden ring we never let go,
who would ever let us put our filthy hands upon it."

this line obviously refers to humans, searching for what was promised by god. The golden ring is probably a halo, symbolizing angelship. And the last line showing the inferiority of humans and there sins, and there innability for angelship. Possibly showing the mistrust of god in choosing angels after lucifer's rebellion.

I haven't figured out the chorus yet either, but it may symbolize, arrogance, pride or deception.
anonymous August 3rd, 2006 02:44AM  
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I think "miss murder" is suicide. The more I read the lyrics, I think its not a literal suicide, but selling your soul for stardom and "leaving it all behind" but its reaching for somehting unattainable, hence "golden ring...Filthy hands upon it" I don't see the jesus metaphor or if its in referance to anyone in particular.

--imaku kazemaru
anonymous August 16th, 2006 11:08PM  
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Miss murder=death
anonymous August 31st, 2006 05:03PM  
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Someone had said that rabbits symbolize death. I hadn't heard that before so I looked into it, and it seems that they symbolize a variety of characteristics, ranging from birth to death and from purity to promiscuity. These connotations conflict because of the myriad of cultures that find rabbits (and hares) meaningful.

So what's the deal with rabbits and "miss murder"?
It all depends on the context / culture with which you associate the rabbit.

For more info etc., I suggest...
Http://en.Wikipedia.Org/wiki/rabbit#rabbits_in_culture_and_literature
http://www.Bunniwerks.Org/symbols.Htm
http://www.Endicott-studio.Com/rdrm/rrrabbits.Html
^ particularly interesting in relation to decemberunderground's cover art

all for now,
danni
anonymous September 1st, 2006 11:36PM  
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Interesting how everyone is so off. Here is a link that might enlighten all of you. Read everything, and then you will be understand some of the songs. Enjoy.

http://board.despairfaction.com/showthread.php?t=62451
anonymous September 5th, 2006 05:42PM  
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Well I agree with a few of these but I am sticking with that he's willin to take his life for his love.He means he'll die for his"lover" .
anonymous September 17th, 2006 12:31AM  
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I agree with the third one from the top I beleive, being a hardcore christian myself, that he is talking about jesus. Although the hitler one does make sense, I would prefer to think that he's talking about jesus.
anonymous September 20th, 2006 09:43AM  
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Ok so this song isn't about hitler as such, but davey is using hitlers ideas as an extended metaphor in his song. During his reign hitler believed that the aryan (blonde hair and blue eyed) race were superior. The way hitler uses beauty to dictate parallels the focus people in society have on physical attributes - beauty dictates their life. But beauty does not last forever: it "fizzles out" with age, so we should not place so much empahsis on it. "we're the empty set just floating through wrapped in skin" -- we have lost the ability to see anything other than our "skin" or outer selves. We appear empty. So therefore the idea of hitler is simply an allegory (a symbolic system that allows a second level of meaning to be generated. In this case, the second level is the idea of physical attributes dictating our lives).
anonymous September 23rd, 2006 11:19AM  
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Okay, first of all, this song is way over-analyzed. Second, I don't think it's about hitler at all. I think it's about people who give up their whole lives for something that means nothing in the end, such as beauty.
anonymous September 25th, 2006 02:08AM  
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Watch the prelude it was the start of the song. It has some clues.
anonymous October 2nd, 2006 08:13AM  
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18 century german romanticism-- where the ideal was youth and beauty. To grow old was considered an obscenity. There was romance and idol worship attached to those who died young and beautiful.
Funnily, hitler was into german romanticism as was his propaganda minister joseph goebbels--who had a ph.D in german romanticism--goebbels studied the works of the dude nietzche. It is also associated with melancholy--think hamlet and co.
Briliant video,it captures the dark emotions, the adoration of youth and the passion of that era.

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