AFI: Miss Murder Meaning
Miss Murder Lyrics
Hey Miss Murder can I?
Make beauty stay if I,
Take my life?
Whoa-oh-ohh
With just a look they shook
And heavens bowed before him.
Simply a look can break your heart.
The stars that pierce the sky;
He left them...
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anonymous Jul 20th 2006, 15:13 report
The lucifer angle - imho - is dead on.
Take mitlon's 'paradise lost' and lay it over the lyrics and you get a nearly line-by-line fit. This may be a completely unintentional product of the band's intent, but it appears undeniable. Note that I will refer to lucifer as satan, as the former is a misnomer: satan (translated from hebrew, the personification of adversity) only carries a personal name in islam - "iblis." the name lucifer is derived from judaic/old testament prophetic scriptures referring to king darius of persia, under whom the original tribes of israel suffered. New testament writers and later christian theologians inferred lucifer into satan to provide a literal counterpoint to jesus, presented as the personification of good.
"hey miss murder can i... Make beauty stay if i/take my life?"
the chorus seems to address eve, traditionally considered the murderess of mankind, or more specifically, of mankind's natural communion with divinity. In genesis lore, eve is the only human to interface with satan and thus is simultaneously the fountainhead of all creation and the personification of mortality and mortal hubris. Satan tempted eve with the promise of eternal beauty and ultimate wisdom. The chorus may be asking eve if that promise proved valid after all.
"with just a look they shook
and heavens bowed before him.
Simply a look can break your heart.
The stars that pierce the sky;
he left them all behind.
We’re left to wonder why
he left us all behind."
this appears to be the clearest inference to satan offered by "miss murder." the angels and archangels are often referred to - in apocryphal texts as well as in pl - as stars or as the regents of the stars. Per milton, satan begins as a prince of heaven, and thus all the 'stars' would in fact bow before him; the book of jubilees (apocrypha) indicate that angels of lesser rank do prostrate themselves before their superior angels as well as before god.
"dreams of his crash won’t pass
or how they all adored him.
Beauty will last when spiraled down."
after the war in heaven detailed by milton, the warrior-angels loyal to the archangel michael and to god, though they'd won, did mourn the loss of their brother and prince. After his fall, satan is popularly acknowledged to be the only angel of those fallen to retain his beauty. Milton disagrees on this point.
"the stars that mystify
he left them all behind.
And how his children cry
he left us all behind."
satan has always had metaphoric or allegoric children. Prior to his fall, his children were the angels beneath him... Those who were entrusted by god to his care; and after his fall satan's children, per milton, are sin and death.
"what's the hook, the twist
within this verbose mystery?
I would gladly bet my life upon it.
That the ghost you love, your ray of light
will fizzle out without hope."
the speaker here may be now addressing satan, challenging the unlimate wisdom of the devil's choice. The first two lines seem to be asking, after all the words written about the fall, what was the point? Will satan's gambit ever pay off? If this is the case, the last three lines answer the first two: the speaker would "bet his life" that satan is doomed to failure... That his light and spirit will slowly die away, "without hope" of redemption.
"we're the empty set just floating through, wrapped in skin,
ever searching for what we were promised.
Reaching for the golden ring we never let go,
who would ever let us put our filthy hands upon it."
now the speaker may be addressing his (our) own mortality, and our literal unworthiness to reattain what we'd lost in eden for the efforts of satan and the ingenuousness of eve.
Again, this is all probably not what davey havok and afi intended. Nonetheless, it appears to fit well enough to acknowledge it as - at least - a valid literary interpretation.
In lesser hands, these lyrics would probably be gibberish, or at least easily interpretable. But by the body of their work afi prove themselves to be literate and skilled artists. Such a lyric reaction to milton and genesis lore is well within their grasp.
-uziel twentyone
www.Gk-sanctuary.Com -
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bigpoogenerator Jun 21st 2006, 01:26 report
I think when he says it he's really talking about selling himself for beauty. It's like you have to choose between 2 lives. You can have your family, friends, things of that nature, or you can live the life of a star. Can I stay a star if I sacrafice my life for it? "...make this beauty stay if I take my life?" Everyone was left to wonder why this person made the decision to sacrafice his life for beauty. He sings about how fame is only temporary, that his ray of light will fizzle out, and that people are just all searching for what we were promised. Everyone is told that they can have things that they really can never have and people are lost in life, trying to acquire things that will never really exist for them. The golden ring symbolizing what we're all trying to accomplish, but in reality why do we deserve it over anyone else? we're no one.
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anonymous Jul 7th 2006, 21:12 report
First off a little insight in the bible Lucifer before he fell was called "The Bringer of Light", he was also the most beautiful angel. Now miss murder may or may not be the grim reaper that I am unsure about but the rest is pretty clear.
"can I make beauty stay if I take my life" - can I make Lucifer stay if I give you my soul.
"With just a look they shook And heavens bowed before him Simply a look can break your heart." - He was so beautiful he would break your heart with just one look.
"The stars that pierce the sky; He left them all behind. We’re left to wonder why He left us all behind" - This is His fall from grace ... and they all were left to wonder why he choose to rebel.
"Dreams of his crash won’t pass Or how they all adored him. Beauty will last when spiraled down" - Up in heaven they adored Lucifer and they can't forget his about his fall/crash. Even though he has fallen he is still beautiful.
"That the ghost you love, your ray of light Will fizzle out without hope." - ray of light --- reference to Lucifer --- also without hope he loses his angelic halo...?
"Ever searching for what we were promised. Reaching for the golden ring we never let go, Who would ever let us put our filthy hands upon it." He is searching for redemption like God promised mankind but angels can't be redeemed. The golden ring refers to the halo even though they (the fallen ones) reach for it they (heavens army) will never let them enter again. -
anonymous Aug 2nd 2012, 04:17 report
Wow all wrong....well I believe....its about witchcraft. And selling something(the ring) or something of value to a demon for beauty or purity. It mixes with the biblical view and everything.
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anonymous Nov 2nd 2011, 09:40 report
when i hear this song i think of Nazi Germany. and how Hitler was miss murder,and in his mind he was trying to make beauty stay alive. at the end of the war after his death, he left all of his followers behind. i understand that this more than likely isnt right, but i think that the golden ring was how he wanted the world to look. if the world was perfect, then it would be golden. my laptop is almost dead so i cant continue. if you would like to tell me im wrong i am willing to listen. email me at loganbre@hotmail.com
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anonymous Oct 22nd 2011, 12:30 report
It's about memories after death. There's a girl he loves, but she died before her time. Now he plans on killing himself to meet her in death. When he says
"Hey Miss Murder can I...
Hey Miss Murder can I...
Make beauty stay if I
Take my life?"
He's asking if the memory of the woman he loved will be the same when he dies. He loved her, and doesn't want to forget her or who she was. In death, their memories of each other will be forever remembered. -
anonymous Oct 5th 2011, 00:53 report
i believe that there are strong references from J.D. Salinger's book The Catcher in the Rye. the golden ring is a very important symbol at the end of the book, which is centered on the idea of reaching towards a goal and achieving success. throughout the book, the main character, Holden, is met with many obstacles and hardships and there is evidence to suggest that he may not feel as though he deserves to strive for his goals.
the song asks "Can I make beauty stay?" well, there are a lot of aesthetic refferences throughout the book. however, i think that the most important concept is when Holden sees the words "Fuck you" written and carved on the walls of various places, including his kid sister's school and a museumin the mummy exhibit (mummies were the preserved bodies. possibly another refference to making beauty stay or preserving it). because he sees these vulgar messages, Holden is upset that there is no place that is nice or peaceful because someone is always doing something to degrade it.
the second part of tht line "if I take my life?":
Holden considers suicide multiple times and almost attempts it once. in a visit with a former teacher of his, Mr. Antolini, Holden is told that he will probably die nobly for a cause that isn't necessarily worth dying for. there are many things throughout the book that Holden isn't satisfied with, particularly about people and the society, that he wishes he could change or escape from or even possibly try to make a statement about by making the ultimate sacrifice.
"Whats the hook, the twist within this verbose mystery?"
the definition of verbose, as supplied by a helpful commenter, is "explaining something using a lot of unnecessary words or too many words for something that can be shortened down"
perhaps this is a statement about how many people seem to think that The Catcher in the Rye has a little too many words in it to express the themes when there only needs to be a few crucial lines to express them.
i have not interpreted this line by line, but rather, by the strongest refferences i could come up with after reading The Catcher in the Rye. i know that there are other interpretations of this song and that some may be better than mine, but most of the time, we interpret something based on what it means to us. and this is what this song happens to mean to me. -
anonymous Jul 24th 2011, 00:27 report
I think that the meaning of this song is in what all of your interpretations say or more immportantly that they are interpretations...what im saying is that the song means what you want it to i take the lyrics into account in mmy own way just as the next person does, for mme the song is about the life i had that i passed up for a different one and now i wounder if i give up this life can i still have the other one or is it to late...but thats just me
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anonymous May 25th 2011, 16:47 report
I believe the song is definitely about jesus....Miss Murder is Lucifer/Satan and the verses are all about how he believes Jesus abandoned mankind and left us as "empty satchels wrapped in skin" and when our faith runs out we will all eventually follow satan "miss murder" like Eve Did in the beginning and bite the fruit that would have supposedly giving her eternal beauty....
the ray of light fizzling out = your faith in christ
reaching for golden rings or (halo)= getting into heaven
Miss murder must be satan because Lucifer is often portrayed as a woman since he was known for being the most beautiful angel -
Asthore Apr 4th 2011, 20:37 report
I understand the website is about lyrical interpretation, but evidence is being left out of the interpretation. Anyone watch the music video and listen to the music?
Even from the very start, Mr. Havoc is sitting on a Victorian style chair I believe, reading a note. Judging by the expression on his face, it's not a good note. Seeing as how the note has the three rabbits...it could be a note saying someone is alive. I've spelled a lot out, let's see if anyone can figure this part out like I have. Right into "Miss Murder can i make beauty stay if i take my life". Just that alone states he wonders if the possibility of suicide will keep her at his side. A well known...thought process.
Judging the time possible time period of the chair as well as other surroundings, its safe to say the time setting is around the 14th to 15th century. This is proven to be a castle like setting later in the video.
"With just a look, they shook, and heavens bowed before him, simply a look can break your heart". Now we are looking at a setting from a third person point of view. A person is gazing upon a scene of a couple before a king and queen. "Heavens" denoted royalty at the time. They are going with the decision of their offspring. I have a hunch that a male is the narrator so to speak. While I have no proof other than Mr. Havoc being male, I believe that he's putting together a sort of family memory, a sibling bringing home a woman he wants to marry...someone whom he has strong feelings for. It's his heart being broken. Well at least the character he plays.
Now for the three rabbits. I've read some of the other explanations, but they don't feel right to me. The three identical rabbits are all chasing each other. I believe they symbolize the two males and one female. A point I'll visit down the explanation a bit.
About 1 minute into the official video, we see our singer standing up high above what I can only imagine being a courtyard; or what could be produced inside a studio.
"the stars that pierced the sky, he left them all behind, we're left to wonder why, he left us all behind". This phrase of the song has multiple meanings. This is proven by the change in labeling. It went from "them all" to "us all". This makes me believe, due to the courtyard scene. Also what helps this is the music playing at about 49 seconds in. Sounds like horses on the move, in perfect rhythm. If one has ever ridden a horse, you'll instantly recognize the sound. The stars are the people of the kingdom. That is personified by the extras in the courtyard of the video. The next phrase. It makes me think that the third person and the female of the couple are left behind with the people, all wondering why he left. In those days, if the size of the set is coincidence or not, makes me think a minor lord. The only reason to take off by horseback is territorial protection...possibly war.
"Dreams of his crash, won't pass, oh how they all adored him, beauty will last, when spiraled, down". If we follow what the evidence presents, the young prince (I suppose it fits for the moment) led the war or defense of territory. The prince couldn't see his loss. The people loved what he was doing. He was leaving it all behind to keep it safe. The beauty part could be deciphered a few different ways. One could be how the people seen him at the time. Princes were primped a bit to look a certain way. If they had good memory of him, it would last a while no matter the outcome of the conflict. It could also be interpreted as the princes memory of the one he wished to prove himself to, and his people he wished to protect.
"The stars that mystified, he left them all behind, and how his children cried, he left us all, behind". Another reference to stars, his people. It is made quite apparent that the prince and his bride had at least two children who were old enough to know what was happening. Yet another reference to "us" being left behind. Now it seems that Mr. Havoc is taking the view of the other man yet again. It seems he felt abandoned as well, even to the point of keeping the princes wife company and helping with the family. At this point, it would appear that Mr. Havoc is playing the part of the brother, helping the brother prince take care of his family while he is trying to take care of the territory and its people.
"What's the hook, the twist within this verbose mystery, i would gladly bet my life upon it. That the ghost you love, your ray of light will fizzle out without hope." The first sentence I believe is brought back to our time, mayhap as a message to someone special in his life at that current time. It would appear in the next set of lines that the "ghost" would be the prince, for he has not returned apparently. Her memory is all she has left of him, and she still has hope that is draining day by day that he will return...or will he? The point is here if there's no hope, she won't love the prince anymore. How many of us can say that without hope, who wants to go on trying? This leaves the scope of the lyrics however. I have more thoughts about this line specifically, just no proof anywhere in the video.
"We're the empty set just through and through wrapped in skin, ever searching for what we were promised. Reaching for that golden ring we'd never let go. Who would ever let us put our filthy hands upon it?" Ah, the climax of the song. The empty set, not satisfied with how things went (I have much insight about this, just no solid proof) means the prince and his bride. At this point it's somewhat cloudy if the prince ever made it back or if he really did perish on the battlefield. What was promised was life with each other. It almost suggests that these three, yes three, as signified by the three rabbits always chasing each other, are wondering who would get the girl in this eternal battle. It does suggest Mr. Havoc believes in reincarnation, as well as some of the memories from that persons past life. The lyrics are strongly suggestive of that, as well as the smug look upon his face in the video. "Reaching for that golden ring we'd never let go" has a dual meaning as well. Two things (of many) were made as a "golden ring" in that time. Although I didn't research before saying this *slaps wrist*, I believe that line means wedding rings in today and quite possibly the crown in that time. In that time, at some points, a golden crown was meant as a link between royal husband and wife. Another possibility is that it speaks of the golden ring of success. In that time frame, I believe it means the crown. In this time frame...I believe it means a success in marriage. This is also backed up by the final phrase, "who would ever let us put our filthy hands upon it". It seems to say that "filthy" really means "unroyal", or possibly father was royalty and mother was common and seen unfit for the crown. It could possibly mean the wife was not royalty and it wasn't wanted that a commoner was to rise to royalty.
There are a few phrases that I'm sure I don't have right, but if you look at the titles and lyrics as well as music from some of AFI's other songs, you'll see that Mr. Havoc seems to speak from a third person and sometimes second point of view. If this is the case, then it would back up the reincarnation claim, and he has possibly found the wife in this time. That much is pure conjecture, but if the shoe fits...
I've read a lot of Hitler on here. I'm sorry but that's totally wrong. I do see where he puts off the vibe in body language and some in video. It's an attempt to mislead, and keep people guessing. I know next to nothing of the man, but seriously doubt he would mean to appear as a dictator to his fans. Ludicrous. Absolute ludicrous. -
anonymous Mar 30th 2011, 22:03 report
This is a quote by Davey:
"I'm an extremist, I have to deal with my own extreme personality, and I walk the fine line of wanting to die and wanting to be the ruler of it all"
I think the song exemplifies this -
anonymous Feb 20th 2011, 16:50 report
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jea0528 Jul 21st 2010, 23:33 report
As for the video, definitely a Nazi theme there. the circle of rabbits on the album cover reminded me of the swastika. Davey is Hitler, and the woman is Miss Murder, aka murder itself. she sends him the piece of paper with the "swastika" of rabbits, and idea for the holocaust. when he goes to his people, he sees her coming for him... etc whtever im outta ideas
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anonymous Apr 12th 2010, 14:58 report
I think this song is about someone in love with somebody else who is beautiful and mysterious. The person knows that their lover is dangerous but can't stop loving them and would take their own life to keep their lover young and beautiful forever (the lover being Miss Murder).
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anonymous Jan 27th 2010, 18:27 report
I think the songs just about a well man killing himself over a woman, her beauty captivated him they shined with the stars and she broke his heart.
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anonymous Jan 3rd 2010, 13:50 report
I think its about kurt cobain because he had a huge following and died at the peak of stardom in 1994.I think miss murder is his wife courtney love.
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anonymous Nov 2nd 2009, 05:02 report
i agree that its Hitler when they say "may beauty stay if i take my life" its probably referring to Hitler hoping that if he took his own life that the ideals he instilled in Germany would stay. just watch the video its clearly a moch up of one of Hitler's speeches
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anonymous Oct 28th 2009, 14:43 report
It all makes sense if you relate it to Hitler.
"Hey, miss murder can I,
Hey, miss murder can I,
Make beauty stay if I,
Take my life?"
This refers to Hitlers mistress as Miss Murder, where Hitler would be Mr. Murder. The last 2 lines in the excerpt demonstrate peoples willingness to commit suicide to escape from his tyranny.
"With just a look,
they shook,
and heavens
bowed before him,
simply a look
would break your heart"
This refers to Hitlers power over all his officials, and "the heavens bowed before him" refers to the other world leader's respect and fear of him. the last 2 lines talk about the sadness of the chaos that insued when Hitler started annexing.
"The stars that pierce the sky,
he left them all behind,
he left, who'd want to know why,
he left us all behind"
This talks about (first line) the munitions of WWII that were fired, from bombs to bullets. The rest is about how Hitler commited suicide, and left his followers to clean up the mess and face war crimes.
(repeat of first excerpt and meaning)
"Dreams of his crash,
won't pass,
Or how they all
adored him
beauty will last
when he spiraled down"
The first 2 lines refer the infamy Hitler still has today even after dying and the fact he is probably the most known man ever proven to have lived. The next 2 refer, again, to the loyalty of his officers and those under his control. the last 2 lines refer to the fact that him and "Miss Murder" both committed suicide together.
"The stars that mystify" and "how his children cried(the rest of the verse is the same) refer to seperate yet connected things. The first refers to why war is fought. Why do we fight wars? The latter is about how when Hitler was declared dead, his officers, aka his "children", were sad he had gone.
"Whats the hook
whats the twist
in this verbose mystery"
This refers to the fact that Hitler was a very good spokesman, and he probably was able to TWIST what he was saying and HOOK the listeners. Verbose means to use too many words for something that could have been put simply.
"I would gladly bet
my life upon it,
That the the ghost you love,
your ray of light,
will fizzle out,
without hope"
This talks about the reminiscence of the fact that all leaders and role models will come to a death, sometimes grisly or rather unpleasant.
"We're the empty satchels
floating through,
wrapped in skin,
ever searching for
what we were promised,
reaching for the
golden ring we never let go
who would ever
let us put
our filthy hands on it?
The first half shows how life under tyranny is cruel and meaningless, while the second half shows how Hitler had an idea (aka the "golden ring"), but had to fight hard to get it and eventually lost.
(repeat of first excerpt and meaning)
So you see, it all makes sense. -
LoveDeath_NAT Oct 11th 2009, 18:45 report
Screw the hitler thing,
in an interview from their crsh love album,
davey says that decemberunderground was an album compiled of songs basing his emotions, love like winter, miss murder, prelude 12/21, and so on, I don't think HITLER is an emotion or has any emotion involved wiht his assholishness -
anonymous Sep 13th 2009, 18:38 report
I think it is very clear. Someone that was admired by a lot of people was killed, and now, the narrator--we'll just call him Davey, because that's who's singing it obviously--Davey is asking the killer--referred to as Miss Murder--that if he took his own life, would he be remembered in light, like the man who was killed. And it's gotta be a man, because it says in the song, "...Heavens bowed before him..." so I would assume it's a male. People remember the guy who was killed in light because he was the victim, and Davey wants those kinda thoughts on himself, and is wondering if suicide would give that to him.
"Hey, Miss Murder can I...
Hey, Miss Murder can I...
Make beauty stay if I...
Take my life?"
This is his question of suicide.
"With just a look,
they shook, and heavens bowed before him,
simply a look can break your heart..."
He's saying that the victim is someone well known and liked throughout the community.
"The stars that pierced the sky,
he left them all behind,
We're left to wonder why,
He left us all behind..."
He's saying that THe guy is dead now, and people miss him.
In the next verse...
"Dreams of his crash won't pass,
and now they all adore him,
beauty will last, when spiralled down..."
Here, he's saying that the death brought this guy to light.
We know the bridge into the chorus, and the chorus, but the bridge itself...here's what I see:
"What's the hook, the twist, within this verbose mystery? I would gladly bet my life upon it..."
He's asking if it's really death that makes them miss the loved man, and stating that he would "bet his life upon it" and commit suicide so people love him too.
"Like the ghost you love your ray of light will fizzle out. Without hope..."
This part is harder to decipher. I think Davey may be talking about the loved dead guy and knowing that if he does give in to suicide, he knows that one day, he'll be a memory and nothing more. Maybe.
"We're the empty set,
just floating through, wrapped in skin,
ever searching for what we were promised.
Like the golden ring we'd never let go,
Who would ever let us put our filthy hands upon it...?"
Here, Davey's stating that everyone wants to be seen in the same light as the loved dead guy and wonders why people think the way they do when someone dies. I guess.
Then it's the chorus again, which we already know Davey is asking the murderer of the loved dead guy if killing himself is the way to get what he wants. I hope you find my interpretation of this song agreeable, and thnx for reading. ^u^ -
anonymous Sep 1st 2009, 18:46 report
The song is very Gnostic in many ways. But there's not just one concept here to take apart. So much can mean so much.
A lot of humans and human conditions can illustrate it. The video seems to do so with a semi-mystical Hitler-like man and a femme-fatal who comes to collect the deal by breaking his neck like a rabbit. Yes, be careful who you make deals with, even if the end result is the same as things would have turned out anyway. We can (and have) thought of many other ways to get the concept across.
Who is Miss Murder? Most likely, it's Sohpia. Isha (the woman, known as Eve after Genesis 3:20). Death, Gaia, Ishtar, Mary of Bethany. An archetype I suppose you could call it.
I interpret the main chorus as meaning a great number of things all at once. A different thing each time it's sung perhaps, evidenced by the fact the way it's sung changes?
It asks: If you are there, will you answer my questions? Can I stop time or must I change for the worse before I die? Can I make a deal with a being of faith? What is the meaning of life? etc
The first verse details a being that leaves the physical stars. It is beautiful (a look breaks the heart) and can command the heavens. It comes on its own, then leaves again. We are left to wonder why he left without us.
The second verse details a being that leaves the mystical stars. Something it can't forget (dreams about), crushed down. He was adored and even though disgraced is still beautiful. Those he left, the ones that adored him, his children, either cry out to him directly or weep that he left them.
Sophia and the Demiurge. Or vice versa. Or if you wish, something else.*
Now the rest of the verses struggle with things, or should I say details our struggles, but are rather clear.
Verbose mystery: There is a lot of information out here, but little truth.**
So the song asks, what's the truth, the entire story in all this information. The supposed consequences of not believing are not important here. Whatever it is you love, whatever your hope is, that will turn out to be untrue (or based upon incomplete information) also.
Because we're simply spirits in flesh. And we're always looking for what we think is promised to us. It's a golden ring, only something to grasp at. We are of the flesh, material, dirty. We feel the truth -- that the spiritual ones would never let us get that empty promise.
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Isaiah 14:12 -- How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!
Most likely, "O Day Star" (phosphoros/lucifer) is a purposeful mistranslation of heylel, a mad, boastful, foolish, full of rage one. But that's an entire other subject.
Also see 2 Peter 1:19 -- We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day-star arise in your hearts:
There's many others to choose from if you take a look, I'm sure.
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Explaining this "verbose mystery" is rather key. A good example could be Genesis 2:17 3:4-5
God tells the man specifically not to eat from "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" because "in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." This is even before the woman is created out of the man. The serpent, more subtle "than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made" tells the woman "Ye shall not surely die. For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." The man is not around.
Yes, a talking whatever the word serpent comes from in Hebrew. But is it not a beast of the field made by God, or is it not made by God at all? Or was God out making other material beings in the meantime? What color toaster do you want for your birthday? Ah, yes. Many other questions, just like the song!
But the point is that neither "side" is telling these two material beings of the Earth the entire story. They aren't even told together by either one of the supernatural/mystical beings. Whatever these things are, they seem to be imperfect, and only as malevolent or benevolent as permitted by their inadequacies. Did not God know of the serpent? Why tell the man, then create the woman? Where was the dude when the snake was hitting up his old lady? Also another subject. -
anonymous Jun 10th 2009, 05:27 report
A lot of people have suggested that this song is about Hitler. I, however, would disagree. In some instances the comparison makes sense, but it essentially does not seem to be something AFI would write about. The song tends to idealize the person who has left everyone behind. Assuming Davey Havok followed former patterns of making a song about his own life, Hitler would not fit. Havok does not appear to be anti-Semitic, and he would have to be in order to have this song about Hitler. The term "us" is used to refer to the followers left behind. If Havok were to have written this in reference to his own life, he would have to consider himself either a follower of Hitler or someone that relates to him, something he is most definatly not. The Lucifer theory seems to fit better with the lyrics of the song being person to Havok as he may not follow Lucifer, but perhaps may relate to him at the level of Lucifer having been the most adored angel of God that was ultimately thrown from heaven and, now, hated.
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