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Tool - The Grudge Song Meanings

Lyrics:
Wear the grudge like a crown
Of negativity
Calculate what you will
Will not tolerate
Desperate to control
All and everything
U...
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Submitted by: anonymous
Added: 2005-12-09 14:47:12     Rating:
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This is a direct referance to astrology and the aspects concerning the celestial body Saturn. Historically, people have carried a personal grudge with the manner Saturn teaches. This song explains by transcending the lessons of Saturn when it comes back around it will spit you out like a child light and innocent. It also is a metophor for alchemy. "Transmutate these leaded grudges into gold". Saturn represents this (lead).


Submitted by: anonymous
Added: 2006-01-10 12:03:41     Rating:

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Have you ever had a grudge to what someone said? It tells us how we should not get held back by what happens to you, but throw away the burden, and turn 'these leaden grudges into gold." Very very cool lyrics


Submitted by: Zaq
Added: 2006-01-16 21:11:33     Rating:

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This song is about people who hold grudges against other people. It's about how holding a grudge will only bring negativity to everyone involved, you included. If you are holding a grudge, you are just trying to control the situation (Calculate what you will/Will not tolerate).
If you refuse to forgive, then you are never going to grow.
"Give away the stone
Let the ocean take and transmutate
This cold and fated anchor
Give away the stone
Let the waters kiss and transmutate
These leaden grudges into gold."

The "stone" or "anchor" is the grudge, if you give it up, it can turn into something beautiful and valuable (not $$$).
Not to sound emo, but this song helped me when my girlfriend broke up with me. It taught me that to grow from our experiences, we must learn to forgive and move on, otherwise, we may drown. Now, I am a better person than I was. In relation to the song I was transformed, by the ultimate alchemists (Tool), from a hateful, depressed, sinking boulder, into a golden pheonix, risen from my own ashes.


Submitted by: infinitepaths
Added: 2006-01-22 00:56:34     Rating:

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First off, what is this "unable to forgive your scarlet letterman" OH! So we are speaking of a specific thing, so it really can't be about just any grudge, right? Unless of course your writer chooses to use a red pen, haha. Who has red lettering, Jesus does in the bible. Any red writing in the bible are supposed actual words that Jesus said. Ok, now, "Clutch it like a cornerstone. Otherwise it all comes down. Justify denials and grip 'em to the lonesome end." cornerstone=foundation(in dictionary) People that believe in God and follow that religion hold on to their beliefs and aim to make it the foundation in the lives. We are not talking about a preference for a certain color or a hobby. This is serious, we are talking about the reason why we are all here! A certain devotion to a lifestyle, must be followed, there are certain things that you do when you are a lamb of God. Anyway, there was a point in my life where I blamed God, or had resentment toward him for allowing all the suffering that I have endured in my life. I questioned that if he was so powerful and loving, how could he allow it to happen. Also, I then stopped blaming when I understood the reason for our suffering, but that is jumping too far ahead. The grudge is the feeling of resentment toward whatever you feel about the topic. Maynard is not saying to go get baptised and repent, no way, he is saying to let some love inside and "let go" of that hate and doubt. You will never know anything more or new on a topic if you are not open to it. Love, forgivness, being a good person by doing whatever you feel being a good person would be. Letting go of that resistance so you may have your own mind, free of that stone, that crown of negativity. Yeah!! you a king, you rule your world, but your a king of negativity. Would you care more of being the one that chooses your purpose, or would you be open to the possiblity of another ruling? Has our democracy, or our freedom of choice become so that we will not be open to a leader. I really do not feel that Maynard is aiming toward God, but just speaking about how we are less willing to be fairly open to it based on our desire to choose our own. We are falling farther and farther away by not being open to certain things. Hate is like a poison, it spreads and may ruin most of what is good. Since people in general follower the leader, be a leader of hope and reason. A leader of love and forgivness and understanding. Others will follow. It is like when you go into work and your co-worker has a bad attitude, talks shit and is just negative and complains, you have a shitty working environment, but if you work with someone that is happy and in a good mood, you may find your own spirits being lifted because it would be more f a pleasant working envirnoment. You might even get more done, and maybe even with a good attitude, and you might even be making the best of your time there. It is the same as the world. We are surrounded by negativity and it is causing our "world" to be not so pleasant of an environment. We do have choice in our world, it starts right there in your chair and in mine. We do have the power to change the way that thing s are, but after a couple of days, somehow, we fall into our old patterns, what we have always known. Even if you get caught back in that undertow, learn to swim, keep your head above water. Watch the Aenima music video. Sorry for being so passionate, I know that is a no-no here on this planet. :)


Submitted by: anonymous
Added: 2006-01-23 10:42:44     Rating:

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If I recall correctly Maynard said this was a song written about one of his close friends and his feelings toward this person after a falling out which was never really explained by him...


Submitted by: SensitiveSoul
Added: 2006-02-10 09:58:26     Rating:

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I just want to say I recognized my own experiences in Zag's story. I also believe the song is about being able to let go certain persons or situations. It's about moving on, and becoming stronger than you were before. The song warns against holding a grudge, 'cause these leaden grudges drag you down like a stone in the ocean, leaving you to drown (beautiful metaphor!...) The song itself (instrumental) expresses the anger you feel when someone has mistreated you, but the lyrics add a meaningful message to the feelings expressed by the music. The lyrics are sung by a person who has already gone through this and can give the unexperienced advice on how to cope with a loss...


Submitted by: anonymous
Added: 2006-02-14 13:33:55     Rating:

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When I listen to The Grudge, I hear him speaking again with Jung and the great work towards wholeness. Saturn also represents the "darker" half of self, as oppossed to one who clings to only their "lighter" aspects. This is where one will have feelings of not letting go, because they have forgotten their animal instinct to say "%$&* it". The only path to wholeness is by understanding that saturn will ascend in youself again, and again.


Submitted by: Zaq
Added: 2006-02-17 20:35:51     Rating:

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The name is ZaQ, not ZaG! It's pronounced like Zack, it's just MY spelling of it. There are 3 Zachs in my senior class and I like to be different.
Thank You for the agreement, this site could use more agreement and less arguments and disagreements.
Yours in this life and next,

Zach with a Q (Zaq)


Submitted by: misterbob
Added: 2006-02-24 18:22:54     Rating:

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I agree with most of the posts, this song is obviously about the dangers of holding a grudge. Someone wrote something about the scarlet lettermen being a reference to the Bible being written in red ink. I don't think that's quite right. There is a book called The Scarlet Letter. In the book, all who were convicted of commiting adultury were required to where a large red letter "A" on their chests. Go with the whole grudge idea... Unable to forgive your scarlet lettermen. It could well read, unable to forgive those who are adulterous. Or maybe, unable to forgive those whom everyone thinks is a horrible person. I am sure if I read the book again I could find something a little more relavant. I am sure it has something to do with the moral of that story. I am also sure that this was a heartfelt song and is probably a metaphor in general for holding a grudge against someone has done you wrong.


Submitted by: anonymous
Added: 2006-06-22 11:10:04     Rating:

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I think bob is on the right track with regards to the "scarlett lettermen" reference.. and I feel that mjk is the victim of the lettermen. in this case, the specific reference to "scarlett letter" suggests that he has been the subject of the accusations, criticism, slander, persecution, judgement, etc. it's a very poetic way to express the hurt and frustration felt when dealing with it..

or maybe he cheated on his girl and she's never let him live it up. get over it! lol


Submitted by: suba_357
Added: 2006-08-24 16:00:54     Rating:

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This album goes along with qabala and the tree of the sephirot. Which is on the back of the album case I believe, I don't have it right off hand here. This song is about the tenth path malchut (the kingdom). "wear the grudge like a crown."

malchut is the beginning of personality and the physical body or the foundation, found in the lyrics "clutch it like a corner stone, otherwise it all falls down."

this is also where the soul is united with source, this is the beginning of separating desire, the urge to individuate. I believe in the first half of this song this is where they are describing the feelings and thoughts they had early on in life. They also repeat a couple of these things near the end. (I am not gonna try and figure out what every single line means, if you want to know more go get a book on qabala and read about the 10th path you might find better answers in it then I did).

Saturn's placement at birth influences the person's work in life, their obstacles, the challenges that will test them and build character. Saturn shows how a person will mature, and how they will learn to cope with adversity.
Saturn has a 28 year cycle through the 12 zodiak signs. Spending about 2 years in each sign. When saturn is in your sign it faces you will many tests on your inner self. Having to do with some people mid life chrisis. It will also come when you are 55-60. And when saturn comes around you will either be lifted to a higher state of consciousness (not saying its gonna be christ concousness)or you will be hurt by these tests and be put further back.

Ok one more thing and I'll stop "these leaden grudges into gold" talking about hard work turning the hard lead heart into something great.

If you have read this far thank you, I could have missed some things I kinda rushed this cause half way through writing this my computer messed up and I had to rewrite it... But like I said if you want to know more go read up on qabala (there are a lot of ways to spell it) Im positive that this song is about the 10th path, not saying it isn't about more or could be about other things also, and I know this album is about the tree of life and every song pointing to a different path. This song is about saturn and the challenges it faces you with. And for those of you who thought this song was about a grudge Maynard has with someone... He isn't that straight forward about anything so usually the most obvious answer is not what he was intending the song to mean.

And one more thing yes I know they mean us to interpret the songs how we see or feel them, but they did write these songs with something in mind and did write it about something, so you can take this song any way you want and you won't be wrong.


Submitted by: anil_saddat_2011
Added: 2006-12-20 13:51:50     Rating:

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The Grudge is about the anger we put up because of the problems we face for our wrongs and cannot solve them.
The grudge personifies gods contribution to the human kind. And our lack of appreciation for it.

P.S Hey I'm anil from bangladesh, small country in asia. I love your interpretation specially infinitepaths. I had the exact same belief and I am glad to find someone who shares the same perspective.


Submitted by: anonymous
Added: 2007-04-12 16:13:18     Rating:

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As far as I'm concerned, the only one who can give the proper explanation is the writer himself. However, here is mine... The reference to the grudge can have many explanations. I believe the writer is referring to a grudge over something or things which are beyond our control. The lyrics may have multiple meanings. The principle behind Saturn's return are for 3 reasons: the astrological principle, the one relating to alchemy and the ever changing celestial body of the planet itself, which, according to theory, could draw our own planet out of orbit and end all life as we know it. The term grudge may be a message: why bear a grudge over things or events which we cannot prevent or change. "...to consume you till you let this go" Some of the song refers to typical human nature and behavior, "...wear the grudge...calculate what you will or will not tolerate, desperate to control all and everything." the term "Scarlet Letterman" could refer to Christ's role in the bible and the grudge one may have concerning the bible's influence on society. perhaps it is about Nathaniel Hawthorne's character, Hester Prynne, who was labeled for committing an "unforgivable" act. Either way, we all have regrets...Just 'let it go' we have a life to live. Atrius


Submitted by: anonymous
Added: 2007-06-23 06:10:51     Rating:

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Saturn ascends is just an abstract idea because Saturn does not actually go down unless in orbit. Its not all about astrology just because it mentions Saturn once. Wearing a grudge on your head like a crown is reference to permenent declaration of remaining mad or upset and being obvious about your anger.


Submitted by: anonymous
Added: 2007-09-25 12:03:13     Rating:

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IDK. There is this Seven Year Cycle which states every seven years the human body goes through a life change because of something to do with Saturn's orbit.

"Saturn comes back around
To show you everything
Lets you choose what you will
And will not see and then
Drags you down like a stone
Or lifts you up again
Spits you out like a child
Light and innocent"


Submitted by: anonymous
Added: 2007-11-20 21:29:38     Rating:

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My guess would be that this song is about Freemasonry.
Ill leave the research up to you folks.


Submitted by: anonymous
Added: 2007-12-21 13:09:57     Rating:

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I agree with the obvious interpretation of being unforgiving. But I thought maybe the song was about science as well.
"Scarlet Lettermen" made me discover this new interpretation. The 'lettermen' are the scientists writing their theoretical knowledge."calculate what we will or will not tolerate": like human sciences.
"Desperate to control all and everything": Science is and endless process, and society is more and more built upon it.
"Terrified of being wrong"
"Saturn ascends, choose one or ten. Hang on or be humbled again.": Maybe he means with "humbled again" that humans fancy themselves god by thinking they are capable of knowing everything.
"Defining, confining, sinking deeper. controlling, defining, and were sinking Deeper." Again some scientific words.
"Give away the stone. let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor.": We have to accept we're not almighty, and we just have to live our lives without trying to figure everything out.
There are pieces of the song which I can't link to this interpretation though...


Submitted by: anonymous
Added: 2008-02-05 19:39:56     Rating:

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I think you guys might have the wrong Saturn. I'm not saying that I know I'm right, but I think the references to Saturn, children, and the stone might have to do with the Mythological god Saturn, who swallowed all of his children in fear of being overthrown by one of them. When, Zeus, the 9th child was born, Saturn's wife wrapped a stone in a blanket and gave it to him, and Saturn ate it thinking it was the baby.

Zeus later tricked his father into drinking a remedy that made him spit up Zeus' 8 siblings and, together, they overthrew Saturn.


Submitted by: anonymous
Added: 2008-02-10 16:50:27     Rating:

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I agree about 'Saturn' meaning the mythological god, Saturn, but there's also another thing; this site says the lyrics are "Scarlet LetterMAN", but I've always seen it in plural form, "Scarlet LetterMEN," which would help support the theory that it refers to people who've hurt you.
I think it makes more sense that way, because it'd make the song more general, and it refers to many more people.


Submitted by: anonymous
Added: 2008-04-17 14:48:05     Rating:

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I think its more about how sometimes you SHOULD hold a grudge "clutch it like a cornerstone otherwise it all comes down". "calculate what you will or will not tolerate." I think this means figure out for yourself that some grudges are worth holding... others not so much.


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