Pink Floyd: Us and Them Meaning
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Song Released: 1974
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Us and Them Lyrics
And after all we're only ordinary men
Me and you
God only knows
It's not what we would choose to do
Forward he cried from the rear
And the front rank died
And the general sat
And the lines on the map
Moved from side...
anonymous Oct 27th, 2012 10:28pm report
This is a classic anti-war song at the time of the Vietnam war and the anti-war youth movement around the English-speaking world. This, mostly informal, movement had been given a massive boost the Woodstock in 1969. In the background was the space era and linked to it the threat of nuclear oblivion. Us and Them simply and brilliantly summed up the human tragedy: if we were us and us, there would be no conflict. But greed prevents this ("with, without, and after all it's what the fighting's all about"), and "ordinary men" are manipulated by the rich and powerful ("the general sat and the lines on his map moved from side to side") and carry the burden of war. And, to me, what is always a most poignant comment Floyd made in this song, was that those who control the conflicts are cowards ("forward he cried from the rear and the front rank died"). This poignancy was also brilliantly portrayed by Clare Torry's voice in The Great Gig In The Sky. An amazing album!
anonymous Jan 30th, 2011 1:08pm report
It's about a war. All the people in the war are "just ordinary men." Everyone in this particular war is dying (everyone important mostly). This oints out the stupidity of war, and how it does nothing but hurt others, even wars that don't involve weapons, and just use words. The war they're takng about in this war may actually not be with weapons, and all the people dying could just be people giving up on the fight after being hurt by all the words used against them. No one knows what's really going on, but they just keep moving forward into thehatred and taking other to their side.
anonymous May 14th, 5:32pm report
For want of the price
Of tea and a slice
The old man died
Says it all really. This is about the futility of war and the loss of his father in WW2 who he never met
anonymous Mar 30th, 2017 3:19pm report
A song about the psychological and emotional damage done to US, the survivors or the left behinders. When and after losing a loved one, if be a father, mother, brother, sister or a friend by the hands of our history's Wars. Where mostly ordinary people fought in Them against their will of choice most of the times. Those Wars, like most wars were usually started somehow by the bloodline of the Top Elites. Who knows since when, who was who or which was which, but let's just say from the times when the crypto Je[w]suits used their manipulative power of influence from the Pop to divide Us from ourselves by ''Them'' and Their ''isms'' ideas. Wherefore in the past just like in the present also divided the Muse llems. That uaually gave and promised Us many indulgencies. Towards forwanting either to control,weaken or to go for the end that justified[s] their means to even destroy the Eastern Ottoman and Orthordox Christian along with the Protestant ever since it's split, forwanting ''freedom and truth'' from the beginning to practice a more of a godly liberal-conservative way of life in the name of God[Jesus Christ], who's in the Bible for Us to be just left alone and become ''freemen'' and not to worship with no choice. Which were and are The Empire's idols or A State that always wanted or still wants to use Us for War and whatever.
anonymous Mar 15th, 2015 3:31am report
All good music comes from within. You can't sit down and write a great song without inspiration. DSOTM is laced with Roger's angst. This song is related to him losing his father in WW2, when he was very young. It goes over a lot of specifics about war, being in the military, being a veteran myself I can relate to this as the viewpoint of many veterans.
"Us and them" refers to the opposing forces, nameless and faceless
"And after all we're only ordinary men" Heros, ordinary people who do an extraordinary thing
"Me and you" Now it gets to a personal individual level, Roger lets us into his head
"God only knows It's not what we would choose to do" Nobody in their right mind would choose to go to war except power trippers. But somebody has to and so ordinary people, like Roger's dad, go to defend their homes and family and way of life. So you do what has to be done. Unfortunately, some don't make it back. So we move on to the bottom line of who is to blame for that.
"Forward he cried from the rear
And the front rank died" Setting up the following line.
"And the general sat
And the lines on the map
Moved from side..." The short version is the general who had to order Roger's dad to his death, came home and Mr Waters didn't.
anonymous Oct 2nd, 2011 10:49pm report
"Us and them" Meaning, him and us. The rich and the ordinary. "Me and You" meaning, him and I. "God only know's, it's not what we would choose....to do". Humm... My translation to this. New World Order...or war, to take the baby steps ino getting there. The rich control us. "And after all, we're only ordinary men" Some have power, and the rest of us don't. Pink Floyds Symbol from The Dark Side Of The Moon, is the same symbol that is on the dollor bill, which means New World Order.
anonymous Sep 12th, 2011 9:09pm report
The song is about inmates and nurses at the insane asylum. The spoken part of the song considers the fact that the tenants and nurses are not really that different, while the chorus/sung part of the song drives home that the nurses are in complete control of the inmates lives. The general/battle stuff is just a metaphor for the plight of the inmates in the insane asylum.
anonymous Jun 15th, 2010 6:25pm report
For the line "And after all we're ordinary men" means to me why are we fighting in war, what have i done you, and what have you done to me? "Black and Blue" the two sides of war. so i think that this song is party about war and the pointlessness of war.
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