Avenged Sevenfold: Victim Meaning
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A letter on the stairs
A tape full of messages
for anyone who cares
Collage of broken words
and stories full of tears
Remembering your life
'cause we wish that you were here
Nothing is harder
than to wake up all...
anonymous Jun 6th, 2011 6:19pm report
^^ you need to know your facts, man.
All the songs, even So Far Away, were written before Jimmy died (So Far Away was mostly written years back when Syn's grandfather died, but was finished and dedicated to Jimmy after his passing). What M. Shadows says, though, is the band went back and re-wrote nearly all the lyrics for each song, save for Nightmare and Danger Line. In Revolver's A7X issue, Shadows says that the song Victim was about the atmosphere and the moments after Jimmy had died. The band spent weeks at each other's houses and told Jimmy stories and looked at all the little momentos the Rev had left with them over the years (hence, "Tape full of messages..." and "Collage of broken words, stories full of tears/remembering your life..."). This song is specifically written about Jimmy through the events that followed his passing in Shadows's point of view.
anonymous May 28th, 2011 5:48am report
It is clearly about Jimmy.
It disgusts me how little people know about a band they claim to love.
Just proves who the real fans are.
anonymous Jul 4th, 2017 7:11pm report
How can people be so blind and ignorant? Shadows said in the Revolver issue that Victim represented the atmosphere and the emotions they were feeling in the aftermath of his death. Yet, there's those one-dimensional people who have the mindset of something like this; "I've heard one song, now I know everything about the band." So to those people, it doesn't work like that. You need to hear more of their songs before attempting to interpret the meaning behind the song. Yes, everything was written while Jimmy was still with us and most of the lyrics were different, but the band members have said that the lyrics were re-written for all songs except Nightmare and Danger Line after his passing. Actually take the time to learn about the band and the song before making those weak opinions. May Rev rest in peace. foREVer.
Firestorbucket Feb 23rd, 2017 2:01pm report
Clues are all over the place that the rev killed himself, despite the press release that it was "accidental". Obviously it is never good for a band to have that "Suicide band" label. A former member Justin Sane already tried killing himself. They did not openly admit it, but left enough clues for their fans to figure out. The Rev also had a heart condition he knew about which almost certainly meant he would die in a few years anyways. He certainly could have "accidentally" overdosed on a combination of Oxycodone, Oxymorphone, Valium, Nordiazepam and adding alcohol to the mix. But authorities say many people would die from that mix anyways. It also just happens to be the ingredients of a Brompton Cocktail(Another song Rev wrote about medically addicted suicide due to terminal illness and having the right to die the way he pleases)
While so Far away gets praise for being their Rev dedication, Victim is also a dedication with a more sorrowful angry edge. The friends of the Rev are the victims of his crime. Suicide being the crime.
Very strong emotion in this song. Moreso than in so far away. The Lyrics "We all need a reason....a reason just to stay...but Some just can't be bothered....to stick around another day" comes across as accusatory. Rightfully so given how much they all loved him. "Ask questions to myself about the things I'll never know. What's left to find? cause I need a little more" strikes hard as "Why did you kill yourself man?? How could you do this to us"
The song Fiction, which was originally titled "Death" before the band changed the name to Rev's nickname fiction was handed in by the Rev to the rest of the band 3 days before he passed away as he said "here it is, the last song for the album". The song comes off as if it is a suicide note, although none recognized it at the time until after he died. Gates breaks out sobbing during many of the live performances of that song when he is singing(Has a nice voice too). It is heartbreaking. Sure he could be sobbing because it is the last song Rev wrote. But I feel it is deeper.
I hate even writing this because in the song Victim itself it asks us to save our speculation for another time. But it has been 7+ years so I think some things should come to light.
To this day, they have NEVER played Victim live . And I suspect they never will. It is the most passionate song they have ever written and it stinks that they will not play it, but if they were angry and hurt when they wrote it, it may feel wrong for them to play it. They always play so Far away and have played fiction many times. And I have yet to see a setlist with Brompton cocktail on it since he died
anonymous Nov 7th, 2016 11:18pm report
I honestly thought that this song was about how we all as imperfect humans are VICTIMS of a crime committed from the past. Crime being adam and eves rebellious act in the garden of eden. The price? death and we are all victims without wanting to, imperfection is with us since birth and that's why we get sick and die.
My opinion independent from our good friend The Rev R.I.P.
anonymous Jun 15th, 2016 6:33am report
For any of you to say that Victim is about a,girlfriend's passing is beyond me. It mainly refers to Jimmy, but not all of the lyrics are for him. The song and all others were written with him and basically no lyrics were modified, except for Buried Alive, which he did a demo on sometime before his death with different lyrics. So Far Away was also a tribute for him written by Syn, who also did it for his grandfather, yes, but Victim was one of the only ones that Rev didn't write because Johnny Christ, Syn, and Zacky wrote it. But it's a tribute to him, so why is anybody even arguing over something that is pointless to argue over because it's a celebration of a man's life. R.I.P Rev. You are in our hearts foREVer.
anonymous Jun 15th, 2016 6:21am report
You know what?? I'm sick of everyone saying that the songs are for Jimmy or they're not, so just stick with the "interpretations" because we don't need to know a damn thing. The only people who know are A7X because they wrote the damn songs, so live with it, idiots. R.I.P REV You will be missed. foREVer.
anonymous Aug 11th, 2015 8:51pm report
Is it about the Rev passing? Yes, it is most undoubtedly related to his untimely passing. But everytime I hear the song, I can't help but think that it's also a song of suicide. Many religions consider taking one's life a crime (we've all been victims of a crime). And there have been accounts and theories of the Rev taking his own life. Many people who (attempt to) take their own life think nobody cares, and normally leave messages explaining their hurt (tape full of messages for anyone who cares). I'm not saying it WASN'T dedicated for the Rev, it most likely was. It was also made for the loss of anyone in a person's life. But I think it is more relatable for people who lost someone through suicide.
anonymous Nov 14th, 2014 11:19am report
it slightly annoys me that everyone is going on about it being for Jimmy. Yes that may be true but its not only that, that we want to interpret. Its hard for me to try and figure out the meaning behind the lyrics for an assignment and to get ideas when everyone is bitching to each other about whether it was made for Jimmy or not.
anonymous Aug 15th, 2013 8:18pm report
I'm pretty sure this is about Jimmy. Yes, I know.. All the songs were written before he died, and nothing was changed afterwards. Now, that's just the music. I remember reading somewhere that they did however change/rewrite some lyrics. So just to wrap it up: All music was written with Jimmy, but not all the lyrics.
anonymous Jul 5th, 2013 7:04am report
Why don't we focus on the meaning behind the lyrics and not try to compare our "A7x fan dick sizes" your "Im a better fan because i know more than you B.S isn't impressing anyone...so instead just use the site as its intended....How about an interpretation?
anonymous Jun 12th, 2013 6:57am report
Actually your right none of them were for jimmy not even so far away, synyster wrote that for his grand father they just used it for jimmy after he passed away as it was a very emotional song.....but obviously the video was originally for him...just not the song.
anonymous Apr 19th, 2013 4:52am report
very touching song for the listeners yeah and this song we'll remember it in the past where we love someone but it should go in advance by god ......
avenged sevenfold hopefully will remain victorious and drove it again after the rev album has gone ....
hopefully can calm the rev there amen
anonymous Jul 10th, 2012 7:49pm report
I agree. It's disgusting how so many people think they know all about the band after listening to a couple of songs. Victim, So Far Away, and Save Me were written specifically for the Rev. So Far Away was written by Syn and he dedicated it to the Rev because one morning when they were drunk, they were singing it together and Syn said it's like he got to tell him how he felt before his death. It's true that "Nightmare" was written before the Rev died, but the band changed some of the lyrics in every song to be about him save for Nightmare and Danger Line. They didn't change those songs because the Rev loved them. The whole album is a tribute to him, and they almost didn't even record it, and then they started thinking about how much the Rev loved this album. The wrote parts of every song and Johnny Christ estimated that he wrote at least 60%, if not more. And before you start about Fiction; it was written by the Rev and was originally titled Death. Anyone who doesn't think this song is about the Rev needs to get their facts straight. We love you foREVer, Jimmy.
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